Billie Eilish was 13 when she recorded her first viral hit, “Ocean Eyes,” at home with her brother. At 17, with a billion streams, she’s finally ready for the mainstream.
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Billie Eilish Is Not Your Typical 17-Year-Old Pop Star. Get Used to Her.

A teenager with more than a billion plays already, Eilish will release her angsty debut album, and may very well become a household name.

Billie Eilish was 13 when she recorded her first viral hit, “Ocean Eyes,” at home with her brother. At 17, with a billion streams, she’s finally ready for the mainstream.Credit...Magdalena Wosinska for The New York Times

LOS ANGELES — Even before she turned 17 in December, the singer Billie Eilish had accomplished nearly all of the modern prerequisites for pop stardom and then some: Her homemade songs, written only with her older brother, had been streamed more than a billion times on digital platforms; she’d played increasingly large sold-out concerts to delirious fans (and their patient parents); appeared with Ellen DeGeneres and Jimmy Fallon; and collected some 15 million followers on Instagram.

Among those legions, many had already started to adopt the musician’s striking visual aesthetic: performatively dead eyes (bored, at best), hair dyed in shades of electric blue and pale purple, an all-baggy anti-silhouette — a collective middle finger to the strictures of teen-pop sex appeal. While still drawing befuddled stares from those outside of her demographic, Eilish’s mere presence has been known to get a certain subset of teenager hyperventilating — and spending hundreds of dollars on merchandise Eilish designed herself.

What the musician didn’t have along the way — and, to her credit, didn’t need — was the lightning strike of a memeable moment or a megahit, the most surefire ways to get noticed (and, potentially, soon forgotten) in today’s avalanche of content. In fact, only now, three years after the music industry caught a whiff of Eilish’s extremely fresh blood, was she even getting around to releasing her debut album.

[“When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?” redefines teen-pop stardom. Read the NYT review.]

“When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?,” out Friday via Darkroom/Interscope, marks the latest apex in Eilish’s fairy tale career, and it’s likely to cement her growing reputation as a 21st century music business unicorn who embodies all the creative and commercial promise of online youth culture. It might also make her a household name.



How Billie Eilish Is Redefining Teen-Pop Stardom

The fastest-rising pop star of the moment is 17 and writes off-kilter hits with her older brother from their parents’ house. Breaking down Billie Eilish’s “Bury a Friend,” we show a new model for making it big.

“Oh my God.” “Hey.” “Hello.” “What’s up?” “What’s up?” “Wait, I lost you for a second. You froze.” “[Singing] What do you want from me? Why don’t you run from me? What are you wondering? What do you know?” “When did you first start making music?” “Like, when I was like 11.” “How old are you?” “I’m 17 now. I feel like I’ve been 16 for, like, my whole life. So I’m 17 now. And then my brother, he started around 12. Me and him were both doing the same thing in the same house. And we just were like, we live three feet away from each other, why don’t we do this together? [Singing] “The creative production writing crew of Billie’s debut album’s two people. It’s just her and me. We wrote “Bury a Friend” on my 21st birthday. And we were playing Lollapalooza.” Singing: “I’ve never fallen from quite this high. Falling into your ocean eyes.” “I was, like, away from all my friends. I couldn’t have a birthday party or anything. And so I was like, well, I love making music, so let’s rent a studio.” “And I do remember having a feeling of, like, if we spend all day of my birthday, we better make something that, like, comes out.” “Finneas just started making this shuffle beat.” “So it’s [beat boxing]” [beat playing] “And I thought it was sick.” “It feels kind of like a football chant. It’s a really body- friendly rhythm, if you play it at the right tempo.” “Lyrically, where did you start?” “I really wanted to kind of do, like, a bunch of Ws in a row, like a bunch of questions. [Singing] What do you want from me? Why don’t you run from me? What are you wondering? What do you know? “And it was like, who is this character? And what the hell are they? And I think just, automatically, it was so clear that it was like the monster under your bed.” “And then I was like, that’d be great to write a song from that perspective.” “Why aren’t you scared of me? Why do you care for me? When we all fall asleep, where do we go?” “What was it about Billie’s voice that, even from an early age, you knew you wanted to work with her.” “Her emotionality. Every time she sang a lyric, I believed it. Billie would, like, sing a ‘Hotline Bling’ cover by Drake.” Singing: “You used to call me on my cellphone late night when you need my love.” “And I was just like, did you write this? And she was like, no, it’s ‘Hotline Bling.’ I was like, oh, wow. When you sing it, it feels like you wrote it, to me.” “Where do you normally write and record?” “We’ve written and recorded, like, 90 percent of everything we’ve ever made in my bedroom in my parents’ house. It’s really small, but it’s really cozy. Billie will sit on my bed. And I have, like, a lot of big Murakami pillows on my bed. She gets inspired. Like, we’ll track something. And I’ll sit, and I’ll work on production. Then we’ll work on lyrics together. I have a piano in there. We tend to work pretty long days. Mom will just, like, bring in food, because we’ll just keep going.” “Since he moved out, he’s lost, like, 15 pounds.” “Because you don’t bring snacks?” “He doesn’t eat enough.” “He doesn’t know how to cook.” “What was it like for you and your husband when your kids first started making music together?” “I mean, Billie was already singing all the time. And she had this beautiful voice.” Singing: “I don’t want to live in a world without you.” “And, like, every year she’d sing in the home school talent show.” Singing: “And I should know.” “Finneas had a band. And it was very all-consuming.” [Singing] And so, you know, it just was kind of this perfectly natural thing when Finneas suddenly was, like, hey, let me record you doing this song.” “Ready?” “Yeah. Are you?” “Maybe.” “We knew they were amazing. But nobody in their wildest dreams thought anyone would hear it except, you know, 20 friends.” [Cheering] [All singing] [Cheering] “All right, so you have the, like, sort of nursery rhyme hook melody. And you had some verses. When did you first start incorporating the spooky noises?” “I was in the dentist’s chair. And they were shaving off my Invisalign attachments. And it was this loud, like, [drill sound] [bleep]. And I thought it was so dope. And I pull out my phone immediately and pressed record.” [Drilling] “O.K. Rinse out and let’s take a peek.” “I found it very horrible to listen to. But it worked great in the song.” Singing: “Calling security. Keeping my head held down.” “As soon as there was a line about stepping on glass, I wanted to hear someone stepping on glass. And as soon as there was a line about a staple, I was, like, smacking a staple gun.” Singing: “Step on the glass. Staple your tongue.” “There is also one called nightmare horse.” [Sound effect playing] “Another one I like is Easy Bake Oven.” “Yeah. Singing: “Bury a friend.” That [bleep] yeah, it’s literally an Easy Bake Oven.” “And then I processed a ton of her going, like, ah! And then it ends up sounding like — [Sound effect] — I put that all over the song.” Singing: “Cleaning you out. Am I satisfactory?” “The song is so weird. It’s so weird. And we were, like, can you understand it and actually sing along? And so I remember, like, we tried a billion different things. And then we were, like, you know what, this needs a bridge.” “So how did it end up sounding? Can you do a little bit of it?” “Like — The debt I owe. Got to sell my soul. I can’t say no. No, I can’t say no.” Singing: “Then my limbs all froze. And my eyes won’t close. And I can’t say no. I can’t say no.” “I like it because it sounds like a Kurt Weill song almost, to me. Do you know what I mean?” “The structure is super weird. It’s like, hook —” “A verse. A pre-chorus.” “Drop.” “A hook.” “Verse two. Alternate verse two.” “Bridge.” “Pre-chorus. Drop.” “And then the hook.” “Normally songs are like, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus. Like, that’s pretty much the way that they are. There was, like, a point right at the end of working on the song where it was suddenly, like, much more traditional song structure. We were like, all right, well, now, we’re making, like, a pop record here. So I’m really glad it ended up being the weirder version of the song.” Singing: “Honestly, I thought that I would be dead by now. Calling security, keeping my head held down.” “I don’t want to be in the pop world. I don’t want to be in the alternative world, or the hip-hop world, or the R&B world, or whatever [expletive], you know? I want it to be, like, what kind of music you listen to? Billie Eilish kind of music, you know? Like —” “Yeah.” “The other kind.” “I’m telling you all now. This is going to be the biggest artist, 2019.” “When the song came out, I said to Billie, I was, like, ‘I think we just get to do whatever we want, now.’ ” Singing: “I want to end me.” “They don’t remember this. But this is what happened. One of the other things I do in life is a lot of aerial, like, circus trapeze. So I was, like, can you guys write a song that has the perfect beat for my warm-up? And Finneas goes, oh, shuffle beat. Yeah, I’ve always wanted to make something with a shuffle beat. They don’t remember this story.” “That’s not how it happened.” “If she feels like she was part of the impetus for ‘Bury a Friend,’ like, more power to her. I don’t personally remember that being a part of the genesis of the song.” “But it happened.”

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The fastest-rising pop star of the moment is 17 and writes off-kilter hits with her older brother from their parents’ house. Breaking down Billie Eilish’s “Bury a Friend,” we show a new model for making it big.

To speak to her business team and label bosses is to hear the phrase “the biggest artist in the world” repeatedly, and in earnest, as a near-term goal. Dave Grohl, whose daughters are obsessed with Eilish, could only compare her to his old band: “The same thing is happening with her that happened with Nirvana in 1991,” he told a music business conference recently, holding up Eilish’s tough-to-categorize music as proof that “rock ’n’ roll is not even close to being dead.” The hip-hop producer Timbaland called this year, and next, hers for the taking.

“I do not see a ceiling,” said Brandon Goodman, one of Eilish’s managers. No pressure.

“I can’t even tell you how anxious I’ve been to get this album out,” Eilish said in her parents’ tiny kitchen earlier this month. Self-possessed but entirely a teenager, with one ASAP Rocky shoe propped on the table and gothic rings on every finger, Eilish talks like an Instagram caption come to life — everything is “fire” or “trash,” bro, and she is always “deadass.” Her look is Hot Topic by way of hypebeast; in photos, a smile is rare, though searing eye contact from her ice-blue alien saucers is common.

Ahead of her album, Eilish was taking stock of her atypical adolescence, and acknowledging the fact that for all of the attention she’d garnered thus far, her ride into the mainstream was about to kick into a new gear. “For a minute, I could go somewhere nobody knew who I was — maybe at Costco or something,” she said. “I would go places and try to convince myself I wasn’t faaamous or whatever.”

But the last bits of her anonymity have been fading; the day prior, she’d been recognized four times while walking two blocks home, forcing her to come to terms with a fast-approaching reality. “There’s no other choice for me,” she said. “I literally have to.”

What Eilish and her cadre of surrounding adults hope will differentiate her from decades-worth of precocious, fast-burning teen stars before her is twofold: autonomy and familial support.

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Building on the paths cut not just by Lorde, Lana Del Rey and Halsey, but Brockhampton, Odd Future and the Weeknd, Eilish is an artist-as-creative director, building her own layered universe for fans to obsess over through a unified flow of music, videos, social media and staging. Musically, she combines most of the internet-first ideas of this century — EDM drops, sad-girl bedroom confessions, SoundCloud rap abandon — into an edgy, genre-agnostic (but playlist-friendly) fusion that sounds like pop and streams like hip-hop. (Instead of one runaway single, Eilish has eight different songs with more than 140 million plays on Spotify.)

She insists on near-complete control. “I could easily just be like, you know what, you’re going to pick out my clothes, someone else will come up with my video treatments, someone else will direct them and I won’t have anything to do with them,” Eilish said. “Someone else write my music, someone else produce it, and I won’t say anything about it. Someone else run my Instagram.”

Image“Everything could be easier if I wanted it to,” Billie Eilish said. “But I’m not that kind of person and I’m not that kind of artist. And I’d rather die than be that kind of artist.”
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“Everything could be easier if I wanted it to,” she continued. “But I’m not that kind of person and I’m not that kind of artist. And I’d rather die than be that kind of artist.”

Billie Eilish is also, in many ways, a family business. The songs are written and produced by Eilish and her 21-year-old brother, Finneas, who often opens for her and plays as her backing band. The pair record almost exclusively in their comfortably cluttered childhood bedrooms, never far from their parents, Maggie Baird and Patrick O’Connell, long-toiling actors who pieced together bit parts, regional theater and voice-over work.

These days, Baird tours as Eilish’s assistant, but is really more like her chief of staff, all mom and part manager (but without the commission). O’Connell, who also did handiwork and carpentry, is now part of the tour crew, and has gone from driving the van in the leaner days to lighting director.

Yet somehow, the cloud of stage-parent oppression seems absent, which isn’t to say that this Partridge Family for the Instagram age wasn’t partially by design. The children were home-schooled, O’Connell said, in part because Finneas was born the same year as the smash hit “MMMBop” by Hanson, a trio of brothers.

“I was completely swept away by these kids,” O’Connell recalled. “They were religious Oklahoma home-schooled, but nonetheless. Clearly what had happened was they’d been allowed to pursue the things that they were interested in.”

Though not much of a musician herself, Baird eventually taught both children in a beginner’s songwriting class, using touchstones like the Beatles, and the kids were generally encouraged to follow their passions; college was never the goal. (They were also raised vegetarian and slept in a four-person family bed until Finneas was about 10; more recently, the parents took the living room of their two-bedroom, one-bath nest.)

Eilish was initially drawn to dance, horseback riding and singing in the Los Angeles Children’s Chorus. But she was primarily a D.I.Y. aesthete, building costumes and crafts from scratch and rallying friends for her elaborate projects. “I was unbelievably bossy,” Eilish said. (Her lifelong friend Zoe Donahoe chimed in from nearby: “She just knew what she wanted.”)

Finneas committed to music first, but when he enlisted a 13-year-old Eilish to sing “Ocean Eyes,” a song he’d written for his band, the family’s lives were forever altered. The siblings uploaded the track to SoundCloud for Eilish’s dance teacher to choreograph to, but it took off, fueled by unofficial remixes and algorithm magic, drumming up industry intrigue.

By the summer of 2016, Eilish had signed to Darkroom, a marketing company-turned-boutique label run by 28-year-old Justin Lubliner, in partnership with Interscope Records. John Janick, the chief executive of Interscope, recalled of Eilish: “Her sense of style, how she thinks, the way she talks — everything about her was just different. She had such a strong point of view, especially for being 14 years old.” Lubliner envisioned her as “a new breed of pop star,” and was unconcerned with competition from more traditional singers like Selena Gomez and Camila Cabello.

Instead of pushing “Ocean Eyes,” which goes down easy as vaguely R&B indie-pop, to Top 40 radio, Eilish’s team vowed to move slower and more deliberately. “We didn’t want it to be about a song,” said Goodman, who with Danny Rukasin manages Eilish and Finneas. “We never wanted anything to be bigger than Billie the artist.”

The label released a nine-track EP, “Don’t Smile at Me,” the next summer, in addition to a steady stream of one-off songs, and watched as each grew exponentially. Although rappers frequently break online, leaving radio to catch up (or not), the holistic, streaming-first path was largely unprecedented for an aspiring pop heavyweight at the time.

“For the past two years, people have been like, ‘Whoa, this came out of nowhere overnight!’” said Goodman.

Along the way, Eilish has developed into a much stranger, more unique artist than initially promised. Though her voice is pure, her lyrical themes are angsty and bleak — serial killers, domination, monsters under the bed — and on her new album, she favors wobbly beats, jarring turns and creepy sound effects, which flow seamlessly with her visual aesthetic on social media and in her videos.

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Veering sharply into abject, “American Horror Story” aesthetics, Eilish has bled jet-black liquid from her eye sockets, let a tarantula crawl across her face, and been manhandled and stabbed with needles by disembodied hands, invoking shock artists like Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson more than Taylor Swift or Katy Perry.

Crucially, Eilish has also absorbed an at times cartoonish, outlaw essence from the world of rap — without actually trying to rap. Eilish cites Tyler, the Creator, Childish Gambino and the influencer Bloody Osiris as her guiding lights of self-presentation, and her music incorporates now-ubiquitous elements of trap production without feeling forced.

“Everyone needs to give hip-hop credit — everyone in the world right now,” Eilish said. “Whatever you’re doing, you’ve been influenced by hip-hop.”

Still, she’s a well-adjusted teenager and her core audience remains young women, offering them an original vantage on the rebellions du jour. “Xanny,” a standout from Eilish’s new album, takes on the SoundCloud generation’s dependency of choice — benzos and opioids — with concern and scorn: “I don’t need a xanny to feel better,” she sings. “Don’t give me a xanny now or ever.”

She was matter-of-fact about already being a role model. “I completely recognize the responsibility, and I do think about it,” Eilish said. “But it’s not going to change the way that I am.”

So far, she has largely managed to avoid the trapdoors of internet controversy that often accompany viral notoriety — something Eilish said she has had nightmares about. But with the increasing heat of fame comes more micro-scrutiny, as Eilish got a taste of recently with the release of the song “Wish You Were Gay.” (Lyrics: “To give your lack of interest an explanation/don’t say I’m not your type/just say that I’m not your preferred sexual orientation.”)

“I really tried hard, dude,” she said, responding to the small-scale backlash. “I thought it was so clear that it wasn’t meant as an insult. But I understand it’s a sensitive word for people.”

She bristled more at mention of her friendship with the young rapper XXXTentacion, who was murdered last year but previously drew condemnation for allegations of domestic abuse. In the kitchen at home, her mother called, half-jokingly, for Eilish’s publicist in the other room.

“I want to be able to mourn, I don’t want to be shamed for it,” said Eilish, who performed a tribute song following XXXTentacion’s death. “I don’t think I deserve getting hate for loving someone that passed.” No one chimed in to coach her.

Flanked at all times by her family, Eilish felt sturdy, if a bit jaded, in anticipation of the ways her life would continue to change in the coming months — harder questions, greater expectations, less privacy.

Earlier, her brother had described the surreality of Eilish’s rise as “an autonomous thing, and it’s moving forward really fast, and we’re all on it.” Her father chimed in: “It’s a train, or a river, or a vortex, and we’re all flying down.” Finneas added: “But traveling it safely feels much easier than trying to bail out.”

Eilish agreed, and said she was working on being in the moment while also keeping perspective, motivated especially by the promise of larger and larger concerts, which have become near-religious experiences for her fans. She flicked nervously at a lighter, singeing a cactus on the table in front of her.

“I’m realizing the place I’m in right now is kind of my time, though — my moment,” she said. “These are the good old days.”